2006-10-14 [SeLoCeS]: alls ok with me though i do hope askoga will be joining us again, not saying your not doin a great job Ergraf just dont wish to loose a good admin member, if you know what i mean

2006-10-15 [Askoga]: Sorry about not being here, mates, and sorry about giving you all no warning. I will probably not be able to be admin again any time soon, because I have only very rare access to the 'net. Many of you have probably realized this by now. I hope that all of you fare well.

2006-10-22 [Blaithin]: My difficulty updating won't be helped by moving the day to Sunday. The main problem is that I don't have time on weekends either because I've got home which has no semblance of an internet connection or I'm at work for long stretches of time and when I get home I have hours of homework.

2006-10-22 [KainVM]: Well if you feel you can't keep up with it. I could let you off of worrying about it. I'm mostly concerned about the staff as a whole. I've seen that most everyone has more time on sundays than saturday. See my meaning? Anyway, I thank you for your input! But again, if you feel you can not keep up with the updates because of your irl, then forget about the updates and deal with your life. All things considered it is more important than the net aye?

2006-10-22 [SeLoCeS]: man you did it again this week i go to update and its done lol

2006-10-23 [KainVM]: =P Hey 9PM rolls around if it isn't updated I whip it out! At least thats how I've always perceived it should be done. It's how Askoga told me it should be done so why not? Lol

2006-10-26 [Moorn]: Alright, things seem more or less stable here now. Since helping was only a favor to [Askoga] on my part I think I can leave the arena to all of you. Good luck with it.

2006-10-29 [Ergraf]: Allright Moorn. Thanks for helping. I'll take her Cat now too.

2006-10-30 [crowdel]: hey kain i have jovial i was going to take care of it tonight on sunday when i got in because that would have been the first time i would have seen it please allow people time to do their own work i understand that you want to be in charge and help but keep in mind people have responsibility here besides you give a warning to a guy before you unceremoniously do their job for them i would not make such a fuss normally but i feel obliged as i have had no work to do for the past month on the wiki and like doing my category job

2006-10-30 [KainVM]: Understandable. Its just been drilled into my thought processing though that I should update things if they haven't been looked at. Update day is still Saturday by the by, though I haven't heard much about changing it back to Sundays so people have a chance to update more.

2006-10-30 [Blaithin]: Another thing Kain, perhaps you should look less at speed and more at procedure. I've noticed polls that haven't been submitted and therefore can't be voted on as well as there aren't being any messages set out as far as I know. Generally we send a message inforing the duelist their poem is dueling (first time or again) as well as message them informing whether they'be moved on or been defeated. None of this has been done to my understanding.

2006-10-31 [Kitara Softpaw]: No, none of this has been done. I barely remember that my poem was in a cat until i looked at the cat to vote - and one of the poem cats didn't have a poll u[p

2006-10-31 [KainVM]: Really? Could have sworn that polls were up for the ones I edited. If your talking about the poll in Realistic, I know SeLoCeS has been actively trying to edit her cat. I noticed and told her that she forgot to change the poems and the poll but... if theres another I probably forgot. I'm only human people. I also recall sending and giving messages on. If your just going to criticize me, then try making the updates on Saturdays please. LIKE I've been stressing to you all, if updating on Saturday is too improbable, then TELL me to move it back to Sunday so it is more Convenient for you to update. Rather than be critical for things I'm doing, that seems like a more logical thing to think about and inform me of because if your simply going to continually find reasons to rip on me then that to me says your just a little angry about something that I'm not going to put my finger on.

2006-10-31 [Kitara Softpaw]: No, they were only trying to help you out. They weren't being rude. Blaith especially. They're your staff - it's their job to keep you up-to-date. And I did not recieve a msg that my poem was dueling, so I don't know.

2006-10-31 [Blaithin]: I never received a message about my poem either and I can't remember which category I seen the unfinished poll in. Also I wasn't trying to critisize you Kain, I'm just pointing things out so that you can fix them in the future. I know that I haven't been on top of my categories at all lately and I also know that I have valid reasons pertaining to real life which always comes before ET. I have a list of priorities and I know which order they go in so turning my lack of updating around on me simply because you felt I was demeaning you is rather pointless. If you would rather I don't help you improve then fine, I'll just go around fixing your mistakes whenever possible :)

2006-10-31 [KainVM]: Thats fine. We're staff here Blaithin. We're suppose to help eachother by making sure everythings running properly. Making little comments about who did what, or how something is done is even more pointless than saying what I said. Yes Life comes before the net. So when I leave things out its because I have a 6 month old Nephew to help take care of. Its what I do for my part of rent around here. As well as house maintenance. To top that off I have A.D.D. so pretty much the attention span of a kitten. If I can't focus on something I totally forget everything needing to be done. And Secondly aside from that I was not turning it on you, I was REMINDING you that I've been trying to get everyone to give me their opinion on whether or not Updates should be sunday or saturday. I mean seriously! I put a Notice up asking you all to give me your input but there's been nothing at all so far! C'mon people work with me! I'm trying to HELP you do what you want while compensating for what happens in your daily lives!

2006-10-31 [KainVM]: Which... probably explains my rancid sentence structure. Good lord.

2006-10-31 [SeLoCeS]: actually realistic was tied and was continued but you have now not given those people dueling a true duel as it was already sorted and now you have gone changin things and mucked realistic up for this week. and considering the last two weeks when i have come in to do my cat and you had not even waited to give those in a different time zone a chance to update. matey we love that you want to help but you need to respect those who are also admin here and we also understand you have just come back to us after a long break or whatever but if you let us do our jobs then this wouldnt be such a stress and life online and off wouldnt get so crazy. and i agree we need to work together but that means you too.

2006-10-31 [crowdel]: here here its a point i mentioned before briefly in my last comment if you see something that is not been updated fully fix it but if the work had not been done allow your admin an opportunity to do the work instead of you. we all like to be part of a team and when one person takes the burden of trying to do all the work be it intentional or not it hurts the entire group. I honestly feel that it may be to everyones best interest to have a list of cats at the top of the page with each admin put on a category or two if they wish so in any case we may be able to message that person if we do not notice that person had done their job one week and it could give you someone to relay back to in each category to make it less of a burden on you to try and do everything

2006-10-31 [KainVM]: Well, seems we need to be more in contact with eachother. The house's are there for a reason everyone. We're not suppose to use our main accounts to edit anything. Things are getting just a little out of hand with the finger pointing though. People saying things like this and that isn't done, well here's a bit of helpful news. We're all here as staff. We're suppose to help each other and fix mistakes made. I made a bad by taking the finger pointing in excess, and I jumped the figurative gun. That I apologize for, but what else am I suppose to do, smile at the pointing, leave it and just walk away from doing what should be done? Or what I believe should have been done? I sent something to SeLoCeS about what was up with the category trying to clarify what was up. Logically I should have just ignored it but with the constant baggering, what can be done? Pressure gets the wrong results people, we need to talk more, and thats what I've been trying to do with you, in asking if updates should be changed to fit your schedules. So, I don't know if I can word this correctly on a posting, instead of telling ME how bad I've been doing, lets focus on what I've been trying to do the whole time. Namely getting in touch with my staff about their cats, and keep things like this from happening.

2006-10-31 [Blaithin]: Ok, lets get some clarification going since it's not sinking in. I apologize in advance to anyone who thinks I may be yelling or taking this to excession but it seems that caps and bold is needed to convey this message. THERE IS NO FINGER POINTING GOING ON!! It accomplishes nothing for us to go around fixing your mistakes for you since then you wouldn't realize that you were missing an essential part of the system. It isn't our job to fix your errors, it's our job to update our categories if and when we can. If you think we're pointing fingers at you fine, but that still doesn't change anything. If you want I can find the link for the directions on how to renew duels and that way you can't try playing the guilt card on us.

Now, as for calling us 'your staff'. If you're going to do that you're going to have to realize some key points. One being that if we're your staff then you're our boss meaning we bring to you problems and point out errors. It's up to you to handle them, not turn on us. Being the boss means more responsibility, if you can't handle a little heat then tell us now. It's not our job nor inclination to make you feel good and all powerful, it's our job to run this wiki smoothly when we are able. Considering we haven't had time to do that lately and it's been left to you it then falls to us to point out pieces that need alteration or fixing. That's what a team does. Take it or leave it.